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	<title>Comments on: i can&#8217;t stand my perry noble post!</title>
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		<title>By: Abi</title>
		<link>http://flowerdust.net/2008/12/05/i-cant-stand-my-perry-noble-post/#comment-218533</link>
		<dc:creator>Abi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ EROPPER

As our discussion has moved past the point of this thread, I would be more than happy to email you my comments if you are interested in further converse. :)

sweeney.abi@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ EROPPER</p>
<p>As our discussion has moved past the point of this thread, I would be more than happy to email you my comments if you are interested in further converse. :)</p>
<p><a href="mailto:sweeney.abi@gmail.com">sweeney.abi@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: EROPPER</title>
		<link>http://flowerdust.net/2008/12/05/i-cant-stand-my-perry-noble-post/#comment-218396</link>
		<dc:creator>EROPPER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it depends on if we believe and understand Scripture to have an Apostolic Tradition for Church practice.....i.e. ....Is there things that are theologically and spiritually significant in the experience of the early Church....or are we free to &quot;do church&quot; in any way we choose to and as fallen humans we never fail to screw things up......... A Modern Pragmatic mindset definitely plays a  part as well....where the &quot;ends justify the means&quot;  or &quot;if  it works let&#039;s do it that way&quot;  .....   &quot;It working&quot; in the modern &quot;seeker church&quot; seems to mean getting huge buildings with lot&#039;s of people in them who seem to want to be entertained........

But thanks Abi for your input.....I feel that discussing Ecclesiology with your &quot;pastor&quot; will definitely be a bit slanted........because he will either conciously or unconciously defend his purpose for existence...... Although there is not a shred of Scriptural support for the &quot;office&quot; of a paid &quot;senior Pastor&quot; or the old Sunday morning Protestant Ritual....(The songs, sermon and offering)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it depends on if we believe and understand Scripture to have an Apostolic Tradition for Church practice&#8230;..i.e. &#8230;.Is there things that are theologically and spiritually significant in the experience of the early Church&#8230;.or are we free to &#8220;do church&#8221; in any way we choose to and as fallen humans we never fail to screw things up&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; A Modern Pragmatic mindset definitely plays a  part as well&#8230;.where the &#8220;ends justify the means&#8221;  or &#8220;if  it works let&#8217;s do it that way&#8221;  &#8230;..   &#8220;It working&#8221; in the modern &#8220;seeker church&#8221; seems to mean getting huge buildings with lot&#8217;s of people in them who seem to want to be entertained&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>But thanks Abi for your input&#8230;..I feel that discussing Ecclesiology with your &#8220;pastor&#8221; will definitely be a bit slanted&#8230;&#8230;..because he will either conciously or unconciously defend his purpose for existence&#8230;&#8230; Although there is not a shred of Scriptural support for the &#8220;office&#8221; of a paid &#8220;senior Pastor&#8221; or the old Sunday morning Protestant Ritual&#8230;.(The songs, sermon and offering)</p>
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		<title>By: Abi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne, rock on for always being willing to always challenge yourself and others. This is  also a gift of the Spirit. ;) 

@ EROPPER:

When discussing the early beginnings of Christianity with my pastor, he attributed the smaller, house-gatherings to the fact that at the Acts 2 point of the story, the early church was under considerable persecution from Jewish authorities. Not only had they just recently been forced to leave Jerusalem (rather abruptly at that) and go live in more remote/rural cities or entirely different countries, but large gatherings would have been easier for Saul and his cronies to identify (plus it&#039;s safe to assume that the early Jewish Christians that had fled from Jerusalem might have brought the first news of Christianity to the places they settled in, thus making for initially smaller gatherings). We also know from historical accounts that the Christians in Roman and Greek cities encountered much more persecution later on from the Roman government, which might account for the smaller groups mentioned in Paul&#039;s later letters.

So I personally don&#039;t think that there is anything inherently, Biblically wrong with large churches. We just all need to be aware of the different kinds of social/communal messiness that comes with various sizes of churches. Sometimes I think people who have been hurt by one size of church tend to idealize the opposite, thinking that if all churches were just more &quot;this way&quot;, then none of this bad stuff would ever happen to anyone. That is just not the reality of the world we live in. It has nothing to do with size and everything to do with choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne, rock on for always being willing to always challenge yourself and others. This is  also a gift of the Spirit. ;) </p>
<p>@ EROPPER:</p>
<p>When discussing the early beginnings of Christianity with my pastor, he attributed the smaller, house-gatherings to the fact that at the Acts 2 point of the story, the early church was under considerable persecution from Jewish authorities. Not only had they just recently been forced to leave Jerusalem (rather abruptly at that) and go live in more remote/rural cities or entirely different countries, but large gatherings would have been easier for Saul and his cronies to identify (plus it&#8217;s safe to assume that the early Jewish Christians that had fled from Jerusalem might have brought the first news of Christianity to the places they settled in, thus making for initially smaller gatherings). We also know from historical accounts that the Christians in Roman and Greek cities encountered much more persecution later on from the Roman government, which might account for the smaller groups mentioned in Paul&#8217;s later letters.</p>
<p>So I personally don&#8217;t think that there is anything inherently, Biblically wrong with large churches. We just all need to be aware of the different kinds of social/communal messiness that comes with various sizes of churches. Sometimes I think people who have been hurt by one size of church tend to idealize the opposite, thinking that if all churches were just more &#8220;this way&#8221;, then none of this bad stuff would ever happen to anyone. That is just not the reality of the world we live in. It has nothing to do with size and everything to do with choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Irving</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie Irving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTG ANNE! 

You are Just so real and Honest and Able to step back at reevaluate yourself! I commend you for being able to Do Publicly what a lot of others ( myself included until reciently) wont, or cant do! Your Awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTG ANNE! </p>
<p>You are Just so real and Honest and Able to step back at reevaluate yourself! I commend you for being able to Do Publicly what a lot of others ( myself included until reciently) wont, or cant do! Your Awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree.

http://stephenstonestreet.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/loving-v-being-cynical/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree.</p>
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